Sunday, September 20, 2009

Hey, She Almost Stole My Blog Title...

Karen Keen (who I am obligated to say is awesome, in case you didn't know) recently posted a great summary of what it's like to be a gay student at a Christian college (and by gay, I mean SSA, ex-gay, struggling, or whatever your term of choice is). She took notes from the recent study about gay Christian college students out of Regent University (which links to my blog, for some strange reason), the testimonies of Wheaton College graduates like Wesley Hill and Steve Slagg, and the outsider's perspective of Kevin Roose, a non-Christian who went to Liberty University for a semester and wrote a pretty interesting book about his experiences (which I also suggest you read if you haven't already).

The comments section of Karen's post is also getting some really cool action, especially from other gay students and alums from Christian colleges. I guess I'm not the only Christian collegian having adventures out there, am I?


Brian said...


Jay said...

Well that was dumb of me. It should be up now.

Jeff S. said...

Yeah, Karen wrote a great article, which of course I had to feature on my own blgo yesterday:

Cass said...

Jay --- Is Kevin Roose gay and does his book touch on gay subjects?

Jay said...

Jeff S.: Well steal my thunder, why don't you? ;-)

Cass: Kevin Roose is not gay but he did take a close look at how homosexuality is dealt with at Liberty as opposed to secular schools. It's not the main part of the book, but there are a few chapters devoted to it.

Brian said...

Thanks! As it turns out, I already read this!

A well written article, but I still can't shake the feeling that many of these suggestions are looking to patch up symptoms rather than fix root causes.

Tylenol may suppress your headache (for awhile) but eventually you are going to need to rest, eat, and liquids. Or trying another metaphor, you can cut the top off a weed but unless you pull out the root, it's always going to grow back.

It's refreshing to hear folks (of any position on homosexuality) talk about breaking the silence, creating safe spaces, and talking in specifics rather than abstractions. I still have a few questions:

      * Is that possible? Is it possible to sustain a worldview of "love the sinner, hate the sin" -- love my brother but maintain that his inclinations toward love are actually toward evil? What does it say when love, affection, and partnership are evil?
* Is that coherent? If lusting after a married woman is wrong, why is homosexuality in and of itself not also sinful?
* Is that Biblical? Is lifelong chastity a calling or a coping mechanism?
* Is that good news?

From my own experience within Christianity and my experience immersed in Christian communities around the country, I understand what Karen and Steve talk about to be symptoms of a problem.

The isolation, desperation, rejection, cultural silence, and even cultural hostility are the bad fruit of a theology which does not affirm sexual orientation as part of the diversity of God's creation, but rather takes what God has created and calls it evil.

Jay said...

What does it say when love, affection, and partnership are evil?

Well, let's see, I have a friend whose father left her mother about a year ago for another woman. The father loves his new girlfriend. My friend still loves her father, but she does not like the relationship he has with this new woman. Still, she is civil, and even goes out of her way to show love towards them. That's probably similar to how Christians can love the sinner but hate the sin.

"Evil" is only defined as something that is against God's will. Just because we feel love and affection for someone doesn't mean that it's right to pursue a relationship with them. If those feelings were all that mattered, then you'd be saying that divorce is fine if a married person meets someone else that they are more compatible with. I loved my ex-boyfriend, and he loved me, but that doesn't mean that I also don't think our partnership was sinful. I can love myself and maintain that my own inclinations towards relationships are evil (just like every other Christian's are), so yes, I think I can certainly do it towards others.

Lusting after anyone is wrong, no matter if you're heterosexual or homosexual. The Bible never specifies that only lusting after married women is a sin. Lust is a sin, period.

Our moral centers are so twisted because of the Fall that we are not really in a place to judge what is good or evil based on our own feelings. We have to rely on the Word of God. I can't say that any theology should say that God created homosexual feelings, because that's not in the Bible. He didn't create divorce, He didn't create lust, and He didn't create homosexuality either.

donsands said...

"..because of the Fall.."

That's a truth of Christianity that is a must. But it is difficult, though simple.

Here in Romans 5 the Apostle Paul explains: "Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come."

Sin entered by Adam disobeying God. God cursed this Earth, and though cursed, the Earth still exhibits God's glory, though tainted, especially by mankind.

Death is a direct result from sin. Death was never supposed to be a natural thing. It's a wicked ugly thing. Difficult for our modern minds to embed.

I encourage all to prayerfully study Romans 5. Ask the Holy Spirit to enlighten your mind, and edify your spirit. And look for some good commentaries on this Chapter.
The Word is true food for the soul.